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Re: Stop with popups while editing !!!

#31 Post by botg » 2009-06-20 10:23

Your new policies also overwrite incorrect files in the wrong folders. That is a major bug! If I open a local file when in a different remote directory, it will save to the wrong remote directory. So now, the people that you were dumbing your product down for will have even more severe issues.
Wrong. It will upload to exactly the remote directory active at the time you started editing.

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Re: Stop with popups while editing !!!

#32 Post by Bronxgodzilla » 2009-06-21 09:55

botg wrote:
Your new policies also overwrite incorrect files in the wrong folders. That is a major bug! If I open a local file when in a different remote directory, it will save to the wrong remote directory. So now, the people that you were dumbing your product down for will have even more severe issues.
Wrong. It will upload to exactly the remote directory active at the time you started editing.
You're not getting a single word Spoo is saying, BOTG. Gosh!! We and others have all repeated this several times -- if we change the ACTIVE remote directory which did not contain the original file, program will do so anyway. You are defending these absolutely useless popups, I dont know why.

FWIW I do use FZ to download and upload files from my local machine to over a hundred domains on my server. Surely it makes no difference if I am using localhost or remote.

Can you please get rid of the popups? YES__ NO__

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Re: Stop with popups while editing !!!

#33 Post by botg » 2009-06-21 11:34

We and others have all repeated this several times -- if we change the ACTIVE remote directory which did not contain the original file, program will do so anyway.
Huh? Your sentence is a tautology.


Btw if you use Open instead of Edit you get no popups. I bet you haven't even tried it.

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Re: Stop with popups while editing !!!

#34 Post by spootieho » 2009-06-21 19:21

botg wrote:
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Your new policies also overwrite incorrect files in the wrong folders. That is a major bug! If I open a local file when in a different remote directory, it will save to the wrong remote directory. So now, the people that you were dumbing your product down for will have even more severe issues.

Wrong. It will upload to exactly the remote directory active at the time you started editing.
Wrong? Reread what I wrote. You just rephrase exactly what I said.

If I open a local file, with FileZilla while in the wrong remote directory, the file will try to save to the incorrect remote directory.
botg wrote: Btw if you use Open instead of Edit you get no popups. I bet you haven't even tried it.
I haven't tried it lately as the OS picks the editor rather than FileZilla.

Don't you want your application to be as user friendly as possible?

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Re: Stop with popups while editing !!!

#35 Post by Bronxgodzilla » 2009-06-22 09:18

I have never seen a programmer / Mod trash his users like you do, botg.

Pardon us for wanting to use your program....

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Re: Stop with popups while editing !!!

#36 Post by botg » 2009-06-22 10:56

Farewell.

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Re: Stop with popups while editing !!!

#37 Post by manarak » 2009-06-22 11:21

@botg

I won't get as heated up as the other ppl above, inspite the "popups" have already cost me money.

Is it a big thing to turn off automatic file synchronization on Filezilla client through a global option or through a server-specific option? i.e. stop tracking which files are being edited and detecting if files have changed?

That is now the only thing that separates Filezilla from being nearly perfect for my use.


And about the "open" option you mentioned:
This option would be ok for me, but the problem here is that the files open with the program with which they open by default in Windows.
It is perfectly logical that html files will open in a browser in windows, but if I open these files in Filezilla, it is evident that I want to open them in a different tool, for example in a text editor.
But there is no option available in Filezilla to set in which app a file is opened (as opposed to "edited").

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Re: Stop with popups while editing !!!

#38 Post by botg » 2009-06-22 11:31

Is it a big thing to turn off automatic file synchronization on Filezilla client through a global option or through a server-specific option?
File synchronization isn't even implemented yet.

Much of the heat in this debate comes from confusing and incorrect use of the terminology. (If in doubt always use the terms used by FileZilla).

A general lack of understanding how the features of FileZilla work does its part too. For example users claiming FileZilla uploads an edited file into the wrong directory, that's simply not true. The problem is that they are (mis-)using that feature in the wrong way.
Quite often users blame the software if it doesn't do things the way they want, yet fail to acknowledge current behavior and are unable to describe what exactly they want.
i.e. stop tracking which files are being edited and detecting if files have changed?
I'm already working on this. I just enjoy arguing so much that I didn't mention it yet.

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Re: Stop with popups while editing !!!

#39 Post by manarak » 2009-06-22 11:52

File synchronization isn't even implemented yet.

Much of the heat in this debate comes from confusing and incorrect use of the terminology. (If in doubt always use the terms used by FileZilla).
Well, we aren't FTP specialists, just users...
For example users claiming FileZilla uploads an edited file into the wrong directory, that's simply not true. The problem is that they are (mis-)using that feature in the wrong way.
Well, the directory is technically right, but still wrong, because the file didn't go where the user wanted it to go.
And Filezilla is all about getting files there where the users want them, right?

I already posted about what happened to me - I have several sites that use similar files, so I would download one from one location, then edit it and then follows a wild sequence of up and downloading from approx 10 different servers and wild edits, while the server directory is different from the local directory in which I am aditing the file. Sometimes I also push local files around.
It is natural that Filezilla cannot read my mind and therefore cannot make good proposals of locations to upload the file to.
Quite often users blame the software if it doesn't do things the way they want, yet fail to acknowledge current behavior and are unable to describe what exactly they want.
I worked quite some time as a business analyst.
Users will describe the things in a way that's clear for them, and most of the time, it is also clear for their colleagues, yet developers would not understand what the users are saying.
The other way around, users won't understand what the developer is saying.

I for example didn't have trouble understanding what my "colleagues" posted earlier in this thread, but it seems I had also trouble finding the right words to explain what we want.

But finally it seems like I had a lucky strike:
i.e. stop tracking which files are being edited and detecting if files have changed?
I'm already working on this. I just enjoy arguing so much that I didn't mention it yet.
So, I'm happy we got over that now, and I am patiently awaiting for the release of that cool feature.

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Re: Stop with popups while editing !!!

#40 Post by moltt » 2009-06-28 17:19


I can not stand more that pop-up!

:arrow: I wish I could save and with no confirmation filezilla automatically send the file, such as Mozilla FireFTP does.

It would be a big change, and save time!
This limitation disappointed me. :cry:

I will use filezilla, when contain this option.
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Re: Stop with popups while editing !!!

#41 Post by botg » 2009-06-28 17:26

I wish I could save and with no confirmation filezilla automatically send the file, such as Mozilla FireFTP does.
And as a result all your files will eventually get corrupted.

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Re: Stop with popups while editing !!!

#42 Post by moltt » 2009-06-29 03:57

botg wrote:
I wish I could save and with no confirmation filezilla automatically send the file, such as Mozilla FireFTP does.
And as a result all your files will eventually get corrupted.
Mozilla FireFTP used by 5 months and never had this problem.

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#43 Post by Lordessa » 2009-07-05 01:20

And as a result all your files will eventually get corrupted.
My files have not been corrupted. I use FZ much like the others posting here.

I've been using FTP for many years and using FZ for 4-5 years, have recommended it to others and haven't found another program that works nearly as well. Last December, I upgraded from 2.2.29 to 3.1.6.0 and was surprised at the way the program had changed. I do not care for the popups as they do not help me and find them annoying (no disrespect intended). If I recall correctly, migrating my site definitions (I could be describing/labeling this wrong but I mean the complete info for each site) from the older version to the newer was not possible until I downloaded a little script someone had written for this purpose and then was able to import the info over. Still, some information was missing (I think local side?). For someone with numerous sites, this is quite time consuming. Perhaps there's been improvement with other upgrades in that regard but I mainly chose to go back to using the older version because of the popups. I'm not sure why popups are so critical now when they were not included in the older versions - and so many users loved FZ as it was (like me!).

Just recently, I discovered that the older versions have a vulnerability and am forced to upgrade so I came to the forum to see if things have changed since my last upgrade attempt. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like it. So, with much regret, I need to find another program until FZ has done something about the popups.

I'm not trying to disparage or be disrespectful to the developer. As a matter of fact, I wish to thank him for all his hard work and for the many years I've been able to use FZ. I really appreciate the work put into it. I'm sure there are a lot of people who get along well with the popups and agree with the developer but unfortunately, they're not for me. The developer may say "Farewell" to me like he has others but I say thanks again for the good years I had with FZ. I hope to be using FZ again soon.

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Re: Stop with popups while editing !!!

#44 Post by botg » 2009-07-05 08:28

I'm not sure why popups are so critical now when they were not included in the older versions - and so many users loved FZ as it was (like me!).
The way 2.x handled file editing was severely flawed.

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Re: Stop with popups while editing !!!

#45 Post by dave111223 » 2011-08-10 10:31

Did anyone find a solution to this yet, i found this site: http://www.hypn.za.net/blog/2009/03/26/ ... ances-fix/ but the patch is for an older version of Filezilla and won't work on my Filezilla 3.5.0

Trying to ask the guy to create a patch for 3.5.0 fingers crossed he will.

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